Why is Prime Shai better in the playoffs than Prime James harden? Both of them shoot lots of free throws in the regular season, but Shai’s game translates better in the playoffs than James harden?
为何巅峰期(qi)的亚历山大在季(ji)后赛表现优于巅峰(feng)期的哈登？两人在常规赛都频频通过罚球得分，但亚历山大的打(da)法在季(ji)后赛中显得更为稳健。
[–]RaptorsJwarrior521 47 points an hour ago
Shai doesn't run into the 2015-2019 Warriors every year.
猛龙(long)球迷：帖主张口就来…亚历山大又不用(yong)年年季后(hou)赛都碰上2015-2019那几年的宇宙(zhou)勇(yong)…
[–]Kindly_Letterhead_98[S] 2 points an hour ago
Harden had like 10 points in game 6 shooting 18% vs the spurs in 2017 lol
Edit: Don't know any ELITE star who had such a bad game in the playoffs lol
球迷(mi)：哈登在2017年对马刺的G6好像只拿了10分，命中率18%，哈哈哈…
补充：我真不知道还有哪(na)个(ge)顶级球星在(zai)季后赛打出过这么辣眼(yan)睛的比赛，哈哈哈哈…
注：2017年西部(bu)半决赛G6，火箭对阵(zhen)马刺的比赛，哈登全场11投2中，仅得到10分7助(zhu)攻，并送(song)出6次失误，末节0分，最终火箭2-4遭(zao)到马刺淘汰。
[–]dogsh1tmods [score hidden] 36 minutes ago
The GOAT scored 8 points and was outscored by a role player in the finals
球迷：这算什么…我们的GOAT还在总决赛里拿过8分…得分还没(mei)个角色球员高呢…
[–]RaptorsJwarrior521 7 points an hour ago
Harden is def a playoff choker but the competition in the West is not comparable imo. Those Spurs/Warriors teams would dominate the current West
猛龙球迷：哈(ha)登确实是季后赛软脚虾，但我(wo)认为当时的(de)西(xi)部竞争强(qiang)度和现(xian)在根本不是一个档次的存在，那几年的马刺和勇士队能碾压现(xian)在的(de)西部…
[–]Heatfrostfeint3 -3 points an hour ago
It went from "doesn't run into 2015-2019 Warriors every year" to "Those Spurs/Warriors team" lol, like Kobe said, the way Harden plays just doesn't work in the playoffs, he depends way too much on drawing fouls, Shai could still do a lot of things aside from drawing fouls, he's way more consistent compared to Harden
热火球迷：这话题怎(zen)么从“SGA运气好不用年年碰上15-19勇(yong)士(shi)”变成“话(hua)说...那(na)些年的马刺/勇(yong)士队...”了，哈哈哈…就(jiu)像科比说的(de)，哈登那种打法在季后赛行不通的，他太依赖造犯规了…而SGA除了造犯规还(hai)有(you)很多手段，所以他比哈登(deng)稳定(ding)多了…
[–]RaptorsJwarrior521 3 points 59 minutes ago
The top of the west was stacked with insane teams. Way harder gauntlet than the current west.
猛龙(long)球迷：当年(nian)西(xi)部强队如云(yun)，想突围比现在可难太多了…
[–]Thunderchef_iblocka 1 point 55 minutes ago
What is your argument that the Spurs beat the Thunder? I feel like you're arguing based on nostalgia
雷(lei)霆球迷：你凭什(shen)么说当年的马刺就能赢现在的雷霆？我感觉你(ni)完全是凭着一腔子情(qing)怀在(zai)这里激辩…
[–][LAC] James Hardenharden-back 4 points 53 minutes ago
67-15 spurs and 73-9 warriors they had competition
快船球迷：67胜(sheng)15负的马刺和73胜(sheng)9负的勇士，你想象下当(dang)年西部那降维般的压迫感…
[–]Heatfrostfeint3 0 points 51 minutes ago
So that one year, yes？
热火球迷：你说的(de)，就是那一年，是吗？
注：2015-16赛季，勇士在常规赛(sai)打(da)出73胜9负的创历史战(zhan)绩，杀(sha)穿西部；而(er)同时，那赛季的马刺也(ye)不遑(huang)多让，拿下67胜15负！
[–]SilverExcellent4679 1 point an hour ago
I mean it's just the truth. Shais game doesn't necessarily translate better. Hes just not facing the 60+ win teams harden was facing like the spurs and warriors of that time
球(qiu)迷：实(shi)话(hua)实说而已。SGA未(wei)必就比哈登稳，他只是没(mei)像(xiang)哈登那(na)样年年遇上马刺、勇士(shi)那种60+胜场的队(dui)伍罢了…
[–]Thunderchef_iblocka -4 points 56 minutes ago
The only warriors team in that range that beats a healthy thunder are the 2017 warriors
雷霆球迷：那几年的勇士虽然所向披靡(mi)，但是能击败当今这(zhe)支完全(quan)健康的雷霆队的，只有2017年那支勇士(shi)队…
[–]RaptorsJwarrior521 7 points 55 minutes ago
Y'all let the championship get to your head if you genuinely believe this
猛龙球迷：你们(men)真信楼上的？拿了个总冠军，还真把自己当盘儿菜了(le)是吧？
[–]LakersIMadeThisOn6-28-2015 2 points 53 minutes ago
Yeah no, they're not beating any of those years. If LeBron could barely do it once on a miracle 3-1 comeback, 2025 OKC sure isn't doing it. Their best chance is that 2015 Warriors.
湖人球迷(mi)：当然不信！可拉倒吧！这支雷霆(ting)哪一年（2016-2019）的勇士都打不过！当年詹姆斯拼了老(lao)命，才靠1-3奇迹翻盘赢了(le)一(yi)次，2025年的雷霆肯定没(mei)戏！他们最有希望赢的可(ke)能是2015年那支勇士…
[–]GiddeysDiddyParty [score hidden] 49 minutes ago
they need Kyrie. all-time legendary series from him capped off with the gamewinner
球迷：2016年骑士夺(duo)冠全靠欧文！他那(na)轮总决赛的(de)发挥堪称史诗级别，用一(yi)记三分绝杀(sha)，给那次历史(shi)级别的(de)总决(jue)赛画(hua)上句号！
[–]Knicksclownus [score hidden] 47 minutes ago
Okc is very good and Shai is one of the best. But comparing OKC to Cleveland/warriors/spurs from those times is pretty silly. Lebron and curry during those playoff duels was equivalent to having a Jokic on each team.
Then add the 2nd best shooter of all time and dpoy Draymond versus pre-crazy kyrie and Kevin love.
The only team OKC is beating is the kyrie less Cavs. It took LeBron and kyrie having double 40 bombs to beat the Harrison Barnes version.
尼(ni)克斯(si)球(qiu)迷：雷霆确实很强，SGA也是顶级球(qiu)员！但拿这支雷霆(ting)和当年(nian)的骑士/勇士/马刺比实在太蠢了…那几年詹库的季后赛对(dui)决，相当(dang)于如(ru)今的两个(ge)约基奇对(dui)打，堪称火星撞地球啊！
再加上历史第二(er)射(she)手和DPOY追梦，对位的还是(shi)（非(fei)究极(ji)形态）的欧(ou)文和(he)乐福。
雷(lei)霆唯一可能赢的就是(shi)缺少欧文的骑士(shi)…要知道(dao)，当(dang)年詹欧双双砍下40+才将将击败(bai)了（由哈里森(sen)·巴恩斯主导(dao)的进攻）那支勇(yong)士。
[–]Lakerspokerawz 15 points an hour ago
Well firstly, way better roster.
湖人球迷(mi)：为什么SGA在(zai)季后赛更好？首先，因为（这(zhe)支雷霆的）阵容好太多了啊…
[–]ThunderExtra_Barracuda4415 -3 points an hour ago
Secondly, better player.
雷霆(ting)球迷：其(qi)次，（亚历山大是）更好的球员～
[–]Kindly_Letterhead_98[S] 3 points an hour ago
2018 rockets was an insane roster
帖(tie)主：2018火箭的阵容也很牛X啊…
[–]Lakerspokerawz 8 points an hour ago
Great roster and only really lost to one of the best teams of all time.
湖人球迷：当年的火箭阵容很牛逼，而且只不过是输给了历史最强球队(dui)之一而已…
[–]Charlotte BobcatsNotManyBuses 2 points an hour ago
Until it wasn't
山(shan)猫队(dui)球迷：到了(le)关键时(shi)刻(ke)掉链子(zi)的时候，当年的火蜜又会说那套阵容烂…
[–][SEA] Kevin DurantWestleyThe [score hidden] 32 minutes ago
And they were one cold shooting streak away from beating the KD warriors….
That warriors team beats this current thunder team
杜兰特球迷：要不(bu)是他们（火箭）突发恶疾(ji)手感冰凉，差一点就能击(ji)败(bai)拥(yong)有KD的勇士了…当(dang)年那支勇士队绝对能打爆现在这支雷霆。
注：2018年(nian)的西部决赛抢七大战，火箭队主场92-101不敌勇士，全场三分44投(tou)仅7中，其(qi)中连(lian)续27投三分不中，创下NBA季后赛单场三分打铁记录。
[–]RocketsTheGargageMan 4 points an hour ago
It is a mystery
火箭(jian)球迷：为啥(sha)SGA季(ji)后赛(sai)更好？这(zhe)是个未解之谜…
[–]Thanos_SlayerCongSan 4 points 52 minutes ago
Harden had choke so many elimination games in his career, you can easily google that
球迷：哈登在职业生涯生死战中掉链子的次数太多了(le)，你随(sui)便一搜就知道…
[–]LakersllorTMasterFlex 5 points an hour ago
SGA takes his physical conditioning very seriously. You will never see a fat Shai. Being consistent is not a meme.
湖人球迷(mi)：SGA对身体(ti)状态的管理(li)非常认真，你(ni)永远看不到一个大腹(fu)便便的亚历山大…保持(chi)稳定可(ke)不(bu)是闹着玩的…
[–]kobbled 2 points 55 minutes ago
watch the warriors-rockets series
球迷：SGA比哈登强(qiang)？你还是先去看看火(huo)箭对勇士的系列赛吧…
[–]lexington59 [score hidden] 38 minutes ago
1 of them is 3 point shot or at the rim attempt or bust player, 1 is a midrange specialist.
3 point shots are notoriously inconsistent, even curry has awful games from 3, and in a 7 game series being heliocentric makes it easier for teams to prep around and key in on the 1 player plus harden has only really had 1 really complete roster even close to the thunders level and that took an extreme cold streak for them to lose with missing over 20 3s in a row.
Whereas sga plays on a stacked team and plays a more drive and kick style, that is a little harder to prep against.
That plus sga is just really fucking elite at driving better than harden has even been and harden in his prime was a good driver, that's how good sga is at driving makes it so you are forced to foul or just kinda force him into a midrange shot (and midrange are much more consistent than 3s at the expense of being less efficient unless you hit an insane rate)
With 3s it's expected to have the occasional 20 percent game followed by a 40, followed by a 33, followed by a 50.
Whereas midrange it's mire 40-50-45-40, ect so it's just easier to have a better baseline and are less prone to bad shooting nights
球迷：一个（哈(ha)登）是，要么投三分要么就是(shi)冲击篮筐(kuang)，这两招鲜一不(bu)灵就立马歇菜；另一个（亚历山大）是中距离专家。
而三分球是一项出了名不稳定的技能，就连库里也有三分(fen)失准的比赛…而且在七场系列赛中，持球(qiu)大核打法更容易遭到对手针对性的布防，而且哈登真正拥有(you)的、接近当今雷霆队水平的完(wan)整阵容也就一次（2018年），就那一次他们还因(yin)为极端的手感冰凉（连续投丢20多(duo)个三分）才输掉的…
而SGA所在的球(qiu)队阵容深厚，他打的是更多突分风格的篮球，这样的(de)打法就更难针对一些…再加上SGA的突(tu)破能力简直他(ta)妈(ma)的是精英级别，比哈登任何时候都要好（哈登巅峰期突破其实也不错的），可见SGA的突破(po)有多强，逼得你只能犯规，或者勉强逼他出手中(zhong)距离（中距离(li)比三分稳定(ding)得多，代价是效率稍低，除非你准得离谱）。
投三(san)分的话(hua)，可能这场20%，下(xia)场40%，再下场33%，再下(xia)场(chang)50%，起伏大是很正常的…
而中距离更像是40%、50%、45%、40%等等，所以更容(rong)易(yi)有一个较好的基础准头，更(geng)不容易遇到糟(zao)糕的手感冰凉之(zhi)夜…
[–]Humdiddledeedee [score hidden] 31 minutes ago
Well said. Another reason the midrange is an advantage is that it is a lot more reliable to draw fouls there. Especially in the playoffs.
When you're an elite mid-range threat it's a lot easier to get people to bite on pump fakes and use your footwork/midpost game to draw fouls as opposed to hardens tricks for people reaching on his drives / falling down on contested 3s.
球迷：说得好！中距离另一个优势是，更(geng)容易造(zao)犯规(gui)，尤其是在季(ji)后赛…
当你是一个顶级的中距(ju)离(li)威胁时，你更(geng)容易用假动作点起对手，利(li)用你(ni)的脚步和肘位背身技术来造犯规，这跟哈(ha)登那种靠对手(shou)掏他球（的(de)时(shi)候抬手骗犯规）或者(zhe)投三分时摔(shuai)倒的把戏不一样…
[–]Thunderthetalkinghawk 3 points an hour ago
Shai has been king of the clutch during the playoffs. Any time the game or series was on the line, he did what he needed to do for the team to win. Plus having an incredible team of players bought into their system and culture is HUGE.
雷霆球迷：亚(ya)历山大在(zai)季(ji)后赛一直(zhi)是关键先生(sheng)。每当比(bi)赛或系列赛到了生死(si)关头，他都能为球队赢球(qiu)做出该做(zuo)的贡献…再(zai)加上有一支相信球队体系和文化的神奇团队，珠联(lian)璧合！
[–]gcoles 3 points an hour ago
He gets the calls in the playoffs, and makes his shots. Also has a very good supporting cast
球迷：亚历山(shan)大更稳，是(shi)因为他在季后赛能得到(dao)哨子，并且能把球投进。同时还有非常好的队(dui)友支持(chi)。
[–]Spiritual-Bobcat5635 3 points an hour ago
Prime harden was better on offense, but not enough to close the gap in defense with prime Shai. Going SGA
球(qiu)迷：巅峰哈登的进攻更好(hao)，但还不足以弥补他和巅峰(feng)亚历山大在(zai)防守端的差距…我选SGA…
[–]Thunderchef_iblocka 2 points 57 minutes ago
Shai is an elite tough shot maker which translates well to the playoffs.
雷霆球迷：亚历山大是一(yi)个非常擅(shan)长高难度投篮的精英级别射手，这点在季后赛很吃得开…
[–]HornetsRelativeHand4753 1 point an hour ago
Straight. Threes.
黄蜂(feng)球迷(mi)：说直白点…三分球害死人！
[–]PelicansAHSfav [score hidden] 22 minutes ago
Mostly referees
鹈鹕球迷：亚历山大主要还是靠裁(cai)判啊…
[–]Heatfrostfeint3 1 point an hour ago
The only similar playstyle they have is drawing fouls. Shai does a lot more than Harden and doesn't solely relies on shooting free throws. Like Kobe said, Harden playstyle does not work in the playoffs, and it shows.
Now, in Hardens defense, James Harden was basically the Rockets offense, once his offense does not work, it's hard for them to win because then they went from Harden Basketball to just throw it to someone hot and hope it works. It's very similar to the early days of Tatum Celtics. SGA has JDub as his second option, and the whole team is defensive minded including SGA. Harden is great in the post in defense but other than, he's a traffic cone, there's really not much he can do because he spends way more energy trying to score, that combine with his conditioning.. it's just a recipe for disaster. He gets lazy and shut down.
热(re)火球迷：他俩唯一相似(shi)的打法就是造犯规…但是SGA比哈登做(zuo)的(de)事情要多得多，他不仅仅依赖罚球…就像科比说的(de)，哈登的打法在季后赛行不通，事实也证明了这一点…
同时也为(wei)哈登说句公道(dao)话(hua)，他当(dang)年基本上就是火箭的整个(ge)进攻体系，一旦(dan)他的进攻失灵，球队就很难赢球，因为到了那时，球队战术就从“哈登战(zhan)术体(ti)系”变成“谁手热谁来”了，这和早期塔图姆的凯尔特人很像…SGA有杰伦·威廉姆斯作(zuo)为二当家，而(er)且(qie)全队(dui)包括SGA自己都是防守(shou)型球员。哈登(deng)的低位防守不错，但除此之外就是个(ge)马路(lu)桩子，他实在做不了太多，因为他把更多精(jing)力花在进攻上(shang)，再加上他的体能状况…简直(zhi)就(jiu)是灾难…他一累会变得懒惰然后彻底熄火…
[–]Own_Elk_543 [score hidden] 42 minutes ago
Did you even watch Harden???? Dude was a multiple time assist leader and just all around offensive engine. Also why do you keep quoting Kobe? Kobe struggled in the playoffs too after Shaq left and people said the exact same thing about his play style and then the lakers got him better teammates and all of sudden the play style stuff didn't matter. Prime Harden pretty much exclusively lost to the Warriors in the playoffs and in every matchup they had the better team.
球迷：你到底看过哈登打球吗？？？这家伙拿过好几次助攻王，是(shi)个全能的(de)进攻发动机！还有你为什么老是引用科(ke)比？科比在奥尼尔离开后季后赛也挣扎过，人们也说(shuo)过同样(yang)诟病他打法(fa)的话(hua)，然后湖人给他找了更好的队友，然后突然他的打法问题就(jiu)不重要了(le)…巅峰哈登在季后赛几(ji)乎只输给过勇士，而且每次对(dui)决，勇士都是更强的那支球队…
[–]Heatfrostfeint3 [score hidden] 36 minutes ago
Did you read anything I just said? Stop spending your time defending him so much and read what I just said. Lakers played Kobe basketball until they got better teammates. Rockets played Harden basketball even when they did not work. Isn't obvious once CP3 went down, they lost in game 7?
It's just dumb that the Harden fans always tries to defend Harden with "well he got unlucky, went against Warriors dynasty". Brother, at this point, Hardens legacy is basically losing against the Warriors. LOSING. Harden fans really should try harder defending their player like he won MVP against LeBron James. Maybe you should praise him as one of the best offensive engine of all time, but it just doesn't work in the playoffs. Both can be right. SGA is just a better player compared to Harden because he played both side, so when his offense doesn't work, at least he has defense. What the fuck does Harden do when his offense doesn't work? Miss 27 straight 3 points?
热(re)火球迷：你到底(di)有没(mei)有读(du)我(wo)刚才说的话啊(a)？别光想着替(ti)哈登辩护，先好(hao)好读读我说了什么啊…湖(hu)人在阵容改善(shan)之前，迫不得已才打科比篮球的(de)（科比作为持球大核(he)），而反观(guan)火箭，他们是硬来啊，不管效果好不好，总是哈登作为持球大核，而且(qie)保罗一受伤他们(men)就在(zai)G7输(shu)了，这(zhe)还(hai)不明显（哈登(deng)持球大核打(da)法在季(ji)后赛不行(xing)）吗？
哈登球迷总是用“他运(yun)气(qi)不(bu)好，碰上了勇士王朝”来辩护，这太蠢了…兄弟，到了如(ru)今这个地步，哈登的名(ming)声基本上就被贴上“输给(gei)勇士”的标签了…是个输家，懂(dong)？哈登球迷真的应该拿一些更有力的证据为他辩护(hu)才行！比如，哈登可是从詹(zhan)姆斯手里抢到MVP的那个(ge)人啊(a)！也许称赞他是(shi)史上最好的进(jin)攻发动机之一，确实没什么(me)问题，但这他在季(ji)后赛就是行(xing)不通啊，这两点并不冲突…SGA就是比哈登更好(hao)的球员，因为他攻防一体，所以(yi)当他的进攻不(bu)灵时，至少还有防(fang)守。反观哈登，他进攻不灵(ling)时在他么干嘛呢？连续投(tou)丢27个三分吗？
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